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explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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hey me kangaroos down I have originals

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kangaroos you know we're in the outback

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now I'm sorry I can hardly hear you Tim

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what are you doing in that kangaroo's

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pouch anyway ah it's a form of

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transportation around these parts we

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decide my friend here yes besides my

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friend here knows the way to Pine Gap we

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want to get out there as quickly as

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possible and find out if the aliens are

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really there it's this remote outpost

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well I I guess it's kind of like our

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area 51 here in the United States I

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guess reverse technology maybe even an

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alien or two yep but we've got to be

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careful you see those warning signs and

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say meme out we don't want to end up in

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some awesome jail but we better get

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going it's kind of sticky and smelling

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inside this pouch okay I say that we

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abort this project get back to the

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studio and let our special guests from

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Australia fill in the gaps tonight gaps

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is in Pine Gap let's get going then

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let's get going then it's quite a hop

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skip and a jump back to the K Co studios

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in Vegas all right giddyup boy all right

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boy just a guru gotta go man

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I think it couldn't have one of them as

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a pet Tim they just kick too damn much

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yes but I've heard though that they're

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pretty tasty oh boy I don't know hey

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they're gonna be selling in but Popeyes

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next week if you can't get a chicken

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sandwich you can get a kangaroo one I

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don't know not for me I'm too humane for

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that but hey I guess people can assume

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by this point that we're going to be

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talking to somebody in Australia and boy

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am I looking forward to this

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conversation because I like to talk to

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strangers and far-off lands I always I

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always had ten cows when I was growing

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up of course most of them were in the

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UFO field we exchanged magazines and all

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and you know well you and I both I think

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we were free contributors to the last

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printed magazine in English which was

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called the the ufologist which came out

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of Australia and we have the the head of

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a UFO group from Australia tonight a

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group that's probably been in existence

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longer than any other organization that

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we know of so take it away in Jasper and

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tell us what we're going to be speaking

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about tonight we're sure well tonight

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I'm really happy that we have with this

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it's a Cheryl gotcha

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and now Cheryl was born in Brisbane

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Australia but at an early age lived on a

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cattle station in country Queensland

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where as a child she often looked at the

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stars like all of us I think and

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wondered if there was other life in the

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universe now in her teenage years she

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developed an interest in the paranormal

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and in 1988 she became an active UFO

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investigator for the Brisbane based

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organization UFO research Queensland and

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has since held two terms as president

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for a total of 24 years now soon after

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joining UFO rq-- Cheryl had her own

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close encounter with Thea commonly

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described grey aliens appearing to her

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in her home and this followed by the

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development of a serious tenure illness

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during which time she experienced a

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near-death experience out-of-body

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experiences and other mystical

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paranormal and psychic phenomena her

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quest for what was happening to her let

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her on the path to shamanism and the

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understanding that these events were an

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invitation but more importantly an

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initiation into other realms populated

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by a variety of means her personal

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experiences catapulted her into the

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world of shamanism and she now uses and

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teaches shamanic practices now in 1992

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Sheryl awful also established the first

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close encounter support group in

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Brisbane after Budd Hopkins spoke for

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the first time at a conference there

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so now Sheryl is a regular writer for

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the Australian bimonthly publication UFO

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encounter and the UFO truth magazine

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published in the UK and she also

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co-hosts her own weekly show called

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strange encounters and co-host strange

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and calendars down under zoom cast with

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author and contactee Suzy Hansen so

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Cheryl thank you very much for being

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with us tonight on exploring the bizarre

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oh hi guys and it's great to be here

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thanks for having me oh man you kidding

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this is this is great stuff here

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you know I guess your investigation has

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gone way beyond lights in the sky but

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before we get into your background and

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some of your experiences do you know

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anything about Pine Gap um I don't know

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a lot except that there has been reports

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of strange craft disappearing into the

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land there and there was yeah there was

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actually one such report in Timothy

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Goods book alien liaison I think and

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where a witness actually saw a craft

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flying into a mountain obviously it

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didn't crash and yeah I just disappeared

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swallowed it up but that's not the first

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time it's not the only time - yeah well

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I think we've mentioned that our

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in our book the just came out that we've

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been promoting the area 51 warning that

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keep out because we have I was going to

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say well I was going to call it a big

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event but we don't know what size event

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it will be this the weekend because the

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people who organizers of the storm

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area 51 some of them have pulled out as

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far as Vegas and I don't know but we'll

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we'll see if it gets any attention on

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the media you know there was quite a

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build-up there to it but now in the last

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couple of days we've been seeing over

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and over and over again the tic tacs

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you know the objects that are flying

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there at the over the the the ocean that

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was on CNN this morning but it's put on

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every other program to so that's not it

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doesn't really seem to be anything new

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about it so do you think they're aliens

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out there at the Pine Gap well I don't

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know about that they could be but I just

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I'm just not sure about that but just

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going from witnesses accounts there's

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obviously something strange going on

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there that's for sure which have to do

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with some sort of craft that are doing

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things that are you know don't fit into

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our known physics reverse technology

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perhaps could be could be anything's

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possible that's for sure well indeed

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well give us a little breakdown on the

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organization is it the oldest new

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organization in the world what what year

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was it founded its 1956 but I believe

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that the Cleveland Ohio yeah if I great

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I think my dreams my few minutes you're

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very well ad forward because I was just

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talking to Peter Robinson today who was

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mersa but Hopkins you know associate for

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many many years and I mentioned that you

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were going to be on the show and then

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you represented this group and that's

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what he said to that cups might have

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been around a little bit longer well

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they're after the cups you're the

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saucers that's all I know

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what I do know is there's not many of

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the older groups still left still far

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there any members still around from the

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the glory days if there is a gentleman

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who's what part of our team he was the

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past president his name's Colin Phillips

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and he was involved with the the George

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Adamski world tour we wait back it back

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in the day and here yeah yeah where he's

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last one who was still alive who was

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organizations because of that we we've

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contactees you know that's how I got

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it's very interesting that you may be

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the last you're kind of the giant rock

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so I think that's true yeah we will well

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more will march on Pine Gap together but

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because I don't think there's anybody

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left Bob short who was one of the

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original contactees and channels from

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the George Van Tassel giant rock era he

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died about who I don't know recently

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within the last few a few months and I

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there maybe a cousin advant a soul and a

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and a nephew but it's certainly whittled

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that down what are the one of the

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objectives of the the group well the

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main one is to discover the meaning of

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the UFO phenomenon you can have a lot of

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facts you can collect a lot of data but

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then you've got to try and understand

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what the heck does it mean oh that's not

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easy you know because UFOs are a lot of

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different things so if somebody sees an

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object over here it may be totally

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different than the experience that

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somebody else is you know under going

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somewhere else so you got it it's kind

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of like a [\h__\h] of

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a cocktail you know you don't know

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exactly what you're going to get until

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you mix it up not a good it's pretty

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poor analogy but I guess I just want a

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drink I think parents inherent in that

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objective is you know you can collect a

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lot of stories from a lot of witnesses

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who've had Close Encounters which is my

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main interest and but you've still got

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to try and understand what that means

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outside of the individual's perceptual

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framework or their filtering system

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because by the time a witness comes

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forward to us they've they've talked

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about it with other people sometimes

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they've had negative experiences

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negative feedback from family and

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friends it's not as common for them to

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have positive feedback and so there's

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they're trying to make sense of it

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themselves about that sometimes by the

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time they get to us it their perception

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and interpretation is really colored by

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by those external you know events

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now the your own experiences they they

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started after you became involved in a

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yes strangely enough and I don't know

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what that means there's another thing

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make sense of that maybe it's a strange

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synchronicity I don't know yeah that

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well synchronicities play a darn big a

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part in in all of this I know I've

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written a book recently about my

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synchronicities and then we're not just

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talking about that you know like you're

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thinking of somebody and they call on

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the phone and they say I mean enough

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material to fill a 450 page book some

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really remarkable stuff but okay so

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you're you're involved in this group

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you're the head of it and all of a

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sudden you're you're dragged screaming

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into a living nightmare well that's

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romantic go ahead I didn't have that

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experience but I know some people who'd

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come forward and they did but my

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experience like I joined the group in 88

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and 1990 I had a close encounter

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and what happened was that I'd gone to

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bed and I woke up in the early hours of

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the morning but it was still you know

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very dark but I saw standing beside the

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bed next to me these three small beings

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a typical sort of grey creatures that

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people described and they were being

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harm silhouetted by the streetlight

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outside so there was only about oh I

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guess a metre between the bed and the

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window and then there fitting in there

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and what's one of the strange things

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that comes up is these three appearing

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all the time I don't know what that

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means either but it's very common in

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reports with people who have these

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experiences that they will see three of

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these beings and then I was terrified I

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was petrified I described it as like

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waking up and seeing a Bengal tiger just

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sitting there looking at you very close

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and like what the hell do you do and

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that was that was the sense of of sheer

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terror that I felt and the next thing I

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know what happened was I automatically

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started saying the Lord's Prayer which

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is really strange because I'm not a

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religious person but I did go to Sunday

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school as a kid the first thing was I

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was surprised I even still knew it and

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secondly I just pulled the sheet up over

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my head and the next thing I know it's

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morning so the question then is well how

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does that person who's terrified go to

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sleep anyway I woke up the next morning

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didn't have every memory of it and went

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through my normal morning routine and

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just after lunchtime I remember

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something happened I don't know what but

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the memory of it was triggered and and

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it just came flooding back to me then it

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wasn't an experience where I remember

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being taken on board a craft or anything

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like that I don't remember having any

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you know the jiminee body marks or

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anything like that but it was just a

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very strange experience and I don't know

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how to explain that can you describe the

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beings a little bit more detail well it

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was difficult because there was still a

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whetted so their faces were in

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shadow yet I strangely have this memory

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of their large rep black wraparound eyes

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and I don't know how that is but the

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heads were the typical inverted

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pear-shaped heads are quite emaciated

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they were short they wouldn't have been

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more than three and a half feet tall and

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the interesting thing is you know I'm

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five foot seven so and I'm not a you

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know I'm not a a petite person I'm not

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overweight or anything but I'm not

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petite and I'm quite strong and in times

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gone past when my husband was travelling

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I'd hear a sound in the house I'd get up

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and get the kitchen knife out and walk

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through the house looking for something

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but in this particular experience I

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didn't do that where I could have easily

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gotten up and just knocked these guys

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over but I didn't because they were so

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'alien to me and people up and say yeah

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let's let's get the earlier let's get

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the craft down here we want to talk to

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him yeah yeah but actually when you have

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that experience the response because

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they are so alien is you know you can't

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predict it and I think maybe perhaps

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that's part of the cover-up is because

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we don't know or people the authorities

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don't know how people would actually

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respond if that information came out

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fully you know what I mean

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now did they did they have a message did

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you communicate nothing at all nothing

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not at all nothing not even a head not

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even a handshake not even invitation for

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a cup of tea mm-hmm and have you had

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reoccurring encounters with the same

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things or different beings not not in

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that way but I've I've seen UFOs and I

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mean UFOs not misinterpreted lights in

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the skies

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I've had about six good sightings one in

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particular was in 1992 when we went on a

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Sky Watch and it was about 3:00 in the

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morning and there were these three

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orange football shaped objects that came

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down they probably

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would have been about one to one and a

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half meters long and they came down over

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the dam where we were camping and as I

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ran down to the water there were so low

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that you could see the reflection of

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them on the water they didn't make any

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sound one just went out one slowly left

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and another one faded off into the

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distance and the other one came down on

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the other side of the inlet and came

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down to ground and some of the guys who

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were there with the Skype watching they

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rent drove around there to see if they

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could find anything on the ground any

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effects so you know burnt trees nothing

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went back the next day found nothing so

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I don't know what that was either how

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many how many active members do you have

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in the group at the moment we probably a

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membership we have I think it was 70

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something last last time we looked we've

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got five team members who do the work

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and organize everything and but you know

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in times gone past particularly the 90s

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when everything just went sky rocketed

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off the map I mean we had we had like

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over about 350 throughout an 80 members

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then it was just amazing time that

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decade how about Bakula the early days

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of Adamski know what size meetings did

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you have how many people showed up for

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well I wasn't involved in but I can't

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tell you when George Adamski came to

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Brisbane they organized a meeting for

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him in the town hall and said it's a

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very big city hall and they had 2,000

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people in there and they had strung up

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speakers outside so the people outside

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who couldn't get in could hear what he

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was saying but he had a he had a really

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you know difficult response from the

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audience there were University students

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running around and they had paper plates

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holed up in front of them now painted

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green and I think that from memory there

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was there was people onstage people were

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throwing things at him and he walked off

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the stage once and and I know that

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because my father my late father-in-law

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had been a member long time ago and he'd

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gone to that event it sounds like a

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political convention yes well it was

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well organized to debunk him that's for

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sure whoever whoever organized it

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whoever was there who knows well there's

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a lot to be said Pro and somewhat to be

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00:21:01,880 --> 00:20:58,080
said trying about mr. Adamski I mean I I

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00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:01,890
think with a lot of these contactees you

430
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know they they get a attention and they

431
00:21:08,019 --> 00:21:05,789
want a little bit more so they get a

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little bit to their story just to keep

433
00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:10,740
you know people are coming back to hear

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what they have to to say I mean because

435
00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:16,590
we know for farewell now he was involved

436
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:20,190
mister damn ski was involved with I

437
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:22,970
guess metaphysical or occult philosophy

438
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,640
going back to 1935 most people don't

439
00:21:31,549 --> 00:21:28,620
realize this but he actually had set up

440
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some sort of commune in California with

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a pyramid and was trying to get people

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to join this group that he started the

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mystical order at Tibet and then he

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wrote a book called pioneers from space

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which we have remanded thinker the end

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of states and then later on he wrote

447
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about his encounter with the face of

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being north on in the desert but even be

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00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:57,990
that right now do you guys have contact

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these over there like Adamski I mean do

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you have your own breed of there are

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people we don't really not not today

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although there are people actually

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that's not quite true there's a

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gentleman in in Sydney called Damien

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John not I don't know if you've heard

457
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:18,120
about him over in the states but he

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00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,820
seems to be like a UFO magnet everywhere

459
00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:22,559
he goes you would first turn up any

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films a lot of of UFOs or that we call

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them UFO repeaters when we have a UFO

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repeaters the camera doesn't lie

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these people seem they have the uncanny

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ability of going out daytime or

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nighttime pointing the camera at the sky

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clicking away and getting some very

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unusual objects and sometimes even the

468
00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:46,039
outlines or figures have been the

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individuals that's wrong

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yeah um why is that who knows but you

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00:23:00,220 --> 00:22:55,980
know statistics don't sort of match

472
00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:00,230
what's going on you can have you know

473
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:04,230
statistics show that an individual will

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have multiple experiences whether

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00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,600
they're close encounters or UFO

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sightings in their life

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whereas statistically that doesn't seem

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to make sense because you think if one

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in 30 people had you know had those

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experiences then 2 and 60 and and so on

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but it doesn't come out like that it

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comes out that one individual repeatedly

483
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has these experiences and try and make

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some sort of sense of that particularly

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when you add it to all the paranormal

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elements of their experiences and all

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the effects that happen to them you know

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the electronic effects and how it

489
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,429
changes their lives and then when you

490
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:46,620
answer that the whole place encounter

491
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package which is what I call it which is

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where they're not only report close

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encounters they also report new death

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experiences out-of-body experiences

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poltergeist activity all those sort of

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things

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absolutely it just seems to grow in grow

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we we've had people here to have started

499
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,940
out that chasing Bigfoot you know that

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00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:10,980
going to an area where there been

501
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:12,929
Bigfoot sightings all of a sudden UFO

502
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:14,370
start up here and then the men in black

503
00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:15,990
are there and before you know it the 8a

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00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:18,420
government agents of agents have shown

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up in panel trucks and and so forth it's

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all very peculiar and strange and

507
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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

509
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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

510
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Rebecca Lee Ann Taylor Swift's welcome

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back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim

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Schwarz tonight we are talking with

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Cheryl cultural who has been working

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she's been a dedicated researcher of the

515
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:04,299
UFO mystery for 31 years with the UFO

516
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:08,760
research Queensland so Cheryl I know a

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Tim was interested in in finding out

518
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what about has there been any research

519
00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:22,780
done on historical UFO sightings say

520
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maybe with the Aboriginal people in

521
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Australia I mean I know that since 1947

522
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we've had a lot of modern-day press

523
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:41,200
covers but what about the what about the

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00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:45,610
far past mmm well the far past is really

525
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:48,040
hard to get your hands on because only

526
00:25:54,090 --> 00:25:51,490
in two recent times Aboriginal people

527
00:25:56,419 --> 00:25:54,100
haven't been as free to share their

528
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knowledge as perhaps some other

529
00:26:01,770 --> 00:25:59,799
indigenous people they've been very

530
00:26:03,419 --> 00:26:01,780
quiet about what's going on but there

531
00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:03,429
has been have been a couple of

532
00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:06,160
researchers here who have collected

533
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:09,880
reports from Aboriginal people but again

534
00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:11,980
it's been really difficult it's real

535
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:13,720
unless you're introduced to them it's

536
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:16,870
really difficult to find people who will

537
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:21,760
talk but in recent years in very recent

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00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:23,530
years they've been a little bit more

539
00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:25,990
forthcoming in sharing information

540
00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:30,100
because they want to get the information

541
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:34,059
out there now I have a friend who is an

542
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:38,590
Aboriginal elder and she actually takes

543
00:26:45,399 --> 00:26:41,860
people down to South Australia in groups

544
00:26:50,139 --> 00:26:45,409
to a very sacred place

545
00:26:53,619 --> 00:26:50,149
and just to show them the the aboriginal

546
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:53,629
sacred site and other things but she's

547
00:27:01,119 --> 00:26:58,460
taken photos of petroglyphs on the cliff

548
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,129
faces down there and she said even the

549
00:27:05,019 --> 00:27:02,720
aboriginal people don't know where these

550
00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:05,029
came from they're so old they're

551
00:27:09,999 --> 00:27:06,950
actually starting to fall off the cliff

552
00:27:11,889 --> 00:27:10,009
faces so there are some things that you

553
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:11,899
know they don't know and they've been

554
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:15,710
around for a long time we know that but

555
00:27:19,419 --> 00:27:17,210
you know there's in the Kimberley

556
00:27:21,639 --> 00:27:19,429
Rangers in Western Australia there is

557
00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:21,649
and this is probably where you've seen a

558
00:27:27,789 --> 00:27:25,940
lot of the images on the internet of sky

559
00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:27,799
beings or the ones you know or the

560
00:27:33,129 --> 00:27:30,980
spirits where they're depicted as

561
00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:33,139
humanoid looking but they have this sort

562
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:37,820
of you know markings around their head

563
00:27:40,239 --> 00:27:39,289
like they're wearing headgear or

564
00:27:43,570 --> 00:27:40,249
something like that

565
00:27:46,029 --> 00:27:43,580
and the question is you know how do you

566
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:46,039
draw something that you don't know

567
00:27:50,889 --> 00:27:47,990
exists and I was having to think about

568
00:27:52,899 --> 00:27:50,899
this yesterday how can you how can you I

569
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:52,909
mean you can be creative but it's really

570
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:55,129
difficult to sit down and draw something

571
00:27:59,289 --> 00:27:57,289
that you actually haven't seen or

572
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:59,299
haven't seen something similar to it

573
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:01,700
you've just got to be original in that

574
00:28:08,739 --> 00:28:06,289
respect and I don't think that's as easy

575
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:08,749
is what some people think so they they

576
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,440
depicted these ones earnest spirits who

577
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:14,480
you know would come who were here and

578
00:28:20,859 --> 00:28:18,830
walking among people and interacting

579
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:20,869
with them but there's also a gentleman

580
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:22,970
called Rex Kilroy down in the Blue

581
00:28:26,289 --> 00:28:24,769
Mountains in New South Wales so he's

582
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:26,299
collected some stories from the

583
00:28:33,549 --> 00:28:29,049
aboriginal beings about sky beings and

584
00:28:36,009 --> 00:28:33,559
there was one that came to earth in an

585
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:36,019
egg that broke open and what what does

586
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:41,090
that sound like and emerge from there so

587
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,710
you know it's there's certainly a

588
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:47,840
knowledge there it's just trying to get

589
00:28:53,769 --> 00:28:51,289
it trying to hear more about it it's the

590
00:28:55,779 --> 00:28:53,779
same situation here in the United States

591
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,789
with Native Americans

592
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:56,640
who

593
00:29:03,250 --> 00:28:59,640
have been reluctant to talk about their

594
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:03,260
their beliefs and experiences that

595
00:29:10,090 --> 00:29:06,330
continue till this day

596
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:10,100
now you brought up a good point though

597
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:14,880
when it comes to UFOs and UFO

598
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:17,400
experiences and and I know that there

599
00:29:24,770 --> 00:29:21,480
are you know nuts and bolt believers out

600
00:29:27,740 --> 00:29:24,780
there who hate this aspect of it refused

601
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:27,750
to even consider it but it does seem

602
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:32,340
that there is another aspect to the UFO

603
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:36,810
phenomena that is for what of a better

604
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,250
word akin to paranormal phenomena you

605
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:42,960
had said in the previous segment yeah

606
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:46,740
you know how it's it's very reminiscent

607
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:50,820
of of near-death experiences and and as

608
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:53,370
well you know people who have had UFO

609
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:56,310
encounters a lot of times then find

610
00:30:01,400 --> 00:29:58,740
their houses haunted with with

611
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:01,410
poltergeist and and and other weird

612
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:04,290
things so I mean what is what is your

613
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:06,390
opinion I mean do you think that there

614
00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:11,490
is more to UFOs than just you know metal

615
00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:14,160
spaceships coming from a another solar

616
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:16,820
system with scientists visiting us

617
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:19,710
absolutely and the reason I say that is

618
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:22,850
because in 1995 I was actually running a

619
00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:27,510
New Age Center and I had a night about

620
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:30,300
near-death experiences and a woman came

621
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:31,980
forward and she told me this - she

622
00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:34,740
wasn't there for each he experiences she

623
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,180
came forward and told me about a strange

624
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,120
new death experience she had where was

625
00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:41,820
new death / out-of-body experience but

626
00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:44,190
her young child had died and she'd been

627
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:46,740
to the funeral that day come home

628
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:49,710
obviously extremely distraught about the

629
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:53,010
loss of a child and she laid down on the

630
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,170
bed she didn't feel great she lay down

631
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:57,120
on the bed and she could feel her heart

632
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,030
rate dropping and dropping and dropping

633
00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:01,740
the next thing she knows she's not in

634
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:03,660
her body lying on the bed she's walking

635
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:08,070
along a path with her young child with

636
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:09,890
the hand of a young child holding

637
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:12,770
holding hand of a young child sorry and

638
00:31:16,930 --> 00:31:14,900
they're going among this sort of winding

639
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:16,940
path and they get to the typical point

640
00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:19,340
where people often talk about in

641
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:20,990
near-death experiences you know the

642
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:23,300
point of no return we either make up

643
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:25,130
your mind to go across or you turn

644
00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:27,260
around and go back you can't come well

645
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,240
that's what happened with her so she was

646
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:32,320
met by a spirit being and this being

647
00:31:37,660 --> 00:31:35,540
said you can't come any further but I

648
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:37,670
will take the soul of your child from

649
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:40,370
here on I shall look after her with much

650
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:42,050
doing and throwing and distraught and

651
00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:43,970
saying goodbyes and all that she passed

652
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:46,280
the daughter over to the spirit being

653
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:49,700
she returns on the path and as she was

654
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:53,390
returning she sees a spaceship she's not

655
00:32:00,490 --> 00:31:56,110
a UFO a person she's out of her body she

656
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,500
sees this ship she goes up somehow she

657
00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:02,000
gets into it I can't remember now

658
00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:03,470
whether it was up some sort of platform

659
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:06,020
or stairs or something but she goes into

660
00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:09,590
it she's laid down on a on something

661
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:13,160
like a a bed or a bench they seem to do

662
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:18,290
some sort of you know examination of her

663
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,980
in her out-of-body State next thing she

664
00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:24,350
knows she's up and she's back on the

665
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:27,020
path she walks back and then she wakes

666
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:31,370
up on a bed now that in 1995 really

667
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:35,480
opened the the package up for me because

668
00:32:39,550 --> 00:32:37,970
I've had other experiences people come

669
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,560
forward and talk about that there was

670
00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:41,120
another woman a couple of years ago

671
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,900
actually who she's in her sixties now

672
00:32:50,170 --> 00:32:48,320
but at age 12 she had a near-death

673
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:50,180
experience and she told me this because

674
00:32:55,230 --> 00:32:52,370
I run a monthly afterlife group as well

675
00:32:58,030 --> 00:32:55,240
so that's where she told me and she said

676
00:33:01,690 --> 00:32:58,040
she had gone into hospital I think it

677
00:33:03,070 --> 00:33:01,700
was to have you know her not adenoids

678
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,080
might have been had no something like

679
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:04,880
that remit something fixed in a throat

680
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:09,350
anyway our ears whatever anyway and they

681
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:12,860
put the mask on her but they didn't turn

682
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:15,950
the oxygen on so she's struggling in the

683
00:33:19,390 --> 00:33:17,660
next thing she's out of a body she's

684
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:19,400
looking at them trying to resuscitate

685
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:22,730
her and all that then she sees herself

686
00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:23,510
in

687
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,260
light at the end of this like a tunnel

688
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,200
or a tube or something like that and now

689
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:35,840
she's going towards the light she also

690
00:33:43,150 --> 00:33:39,500
sees a return stream of light and in

691
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:43,160
this return stream she sees a small boy

692
00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:45,830
or she thinks it's a small boy and he

693
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:48,140
looks to formed he's got a big head he's

694
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:50,570
got a very small body and she thinks to

695
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:52,250
herself as a 12 year old oh that poor

696
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:54,830
little boy he's so deformed you know

697
00:34:03,570 --> 00:33:58,790
blah blah anyway she's returned to a

698
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:03,580
body and and she's fine today but about

699
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:08,810
15 years ago she came to UFO meeting I

700
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,820
didn't know this but she told me

701
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:13,280
recently that she came to UFO meeting

702
00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:15,230
and as she walked in the door someone

703
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:17,179
was talking about alien abductions and

704
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:17,990
up on the screen

705
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:19,820
they had a grey one of these small grey

706
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:22,850
beings as she said that is exactly what

707
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:25,810
I saw during my near-death experience

708
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:28,370
now there's something really big going

709
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:33,020
on there it's not just about nuts and

710
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,360
bolts and crafts from planets and living

711
00:34:39,850 --> 00:34:37,760
in deep space and touching down on earth

712
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:39,860
to feel their you know fill tree fill

713
00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:41,540
their resources and all that there's

714
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:45,020
something much much bigger going on and

715
00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:48,350
that's also communicated in Suzy

716
00:34:54,070 --> 00:34:50,919
Hansen's book the dual soul connection

717
00:34:57,490 --> 00:34:54,080
because Suzy is a New Zealand experience

718
00:35:01,330 --> 00:34:57,500
a researcher and author and she had

719
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,340
experiences that started at a 20 when

720
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:03,440
her car the car that she was in was

721
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,150
lifted up off the ground and she was

722
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:09,680
subsequently later on she had

723
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:11,420
experiences where she was taken on board

724
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:15,170
a craft and the these little grey alien

725
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:18,140
beings inserted the sole of her unborn

726
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:23,720
son into her body these are really how

727
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:25,970
to impress this upon people but this is

728
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:28,790
just such a big story waiting to be

729
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:30,740
unpacked by researchers who would dare

730
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:34,490
to go there well and that's that's just

731
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:37,310
it I mean the the UFO subject

732
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,010
for four years as you well know and I

733
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,800
mean you you would have you have to you

734
00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:45,680
have had to approach it and disseminate

735
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:48,020
the information really just just very

736
00:35:56,730 --> 00:35:52,790
very carefully you know for for want of

737
00:36:02,350 --> 00:35:56,740
the giggle factor and ridicule but now

738
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:02,360
with this overwhelming evidence of some

739
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,560
other aspect of it that is paranormal

740
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:09,200
mystical what-have-you

741
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,630
it's like okay how am I going to how am

742
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,880
I going to put this out and have people

743
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:20,000
take me seriously exactly and I think

744
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:22,790
what's happened with many orc UFO

745
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:24,530
organizations and independent

746
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:27,530
researchers is that in the past they

747
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,950
have wanted scientific attention they

748
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:33,200
had wanted to get professionals involved

749
00:36:37,390 --> 00:36:35,870
in the subject that's great but they

750
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:37,400
weren't taking any notice for a long

751
00:36:41,770 --> 00:36:39,530
long long long time and they've missed

752
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:41,780
the bus as far as I'm concerned so it's

753
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:44,150
now up to researchers to get that

754
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:48,110
information out there we know that my do

755
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:50,090
some scientists are very quietly looking

756
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:52,280
into the subject of course and not may

757
00:36:56,740 --> 00:36:53,780
not go in public with it

758
00:36:58,660 --> 00:36:56,750
but you know to help the subject they

759
00:37:02,610 --> 00:36:58,670
have been more of a hindrance than

760
00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:02,620
anything else so you know it's it's huge

761
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:05,180
there's certainly something metaphysical

762
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:07,610
or paranormal supernatural call it what

763
00:37:14,590 --> 00:37:12,530
you like involved in it as well and then

764
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:14,600
and that's what what makes the phenomena

765
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:18,830
so interesting is that it it has what

766
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:22,580
appears to be physical attributes and at

767
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:25,340
the same time it has you know the this

768
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:30,700
other side you know almost a ghostly

769
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:37,370
part you know I mean yeah and so where

770
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:42,110
do you think then researchers should

771
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:46,510
should go in the future on how to

772
00:37:51,099 --> 00:37:49,970
investigate this phenomena how to deal

773
00:37:52,509 --> 00:37:51,109
with the people who

774
00:37:56,589 --> 00:37:52,519
who are brave enough to come forward

775
00:38:02,920 --> 00:37:56,599
with their experiences without scaring

776
00:38:05,229 --> 00:38:02,930
them off and to start gleaning this this

777
00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:05,239
new information that's being presented

778
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:10,339
to us you know the information that that

779
00:38:18,579 --> 00:38:14,269
really nobody has has dared touch for a

780
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:18,589
long time yeah well first of all it's

781
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:23,450
not new it's just that we have to be

782
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:26,569
braver I guess you could say in rope

783
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:28,249
putting the information out there

784
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:29,900
because I think that's what happened in

785
00:38:34,359 --> 00:38:31,609
the past and people were concerned about

786
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:34,369
the public reaction and like you said

787
00:38:38,259 --> 00:38:37,430
the giggles factor and taking it

788
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,269
seriously

789
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:40,160
but you know it's a different we're

790
00:38:44,259 --> 00:38:41,930
living in a different time now where

791
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,269
we're talking about you know there are

792
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:46,160
some physicists who are talking about

793
00:38:51,099 --> 00:38:48,170
some interesting things like Michio Kaku

794
00:38:54,579 --> 00:38:51,109
you know for example talking about other

795
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:54,589
dimensions and you know string theory

796
00:38:57,609 --> 00:38:56,210
and maybe some of these their

797
00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:57,619
understanding of physics modern day

798
00:39:01,210 --> 00:38:59,210
understanding of physics can actually

799
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:01,220
explain some of the metaphysical things

800
00:39:05,769 --> 00:39:04,249
that we're seeing you know so it's a

801
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:05,779
different time that we're living in now

802
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:08,089
so I think the time is actually right

803
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:09,890
for more people to come forward for

804
00:39:14,529 --> 00:39:12,410
researchers to to present the

805
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:14,539
information cuz that's all it is the

806
00:39:19,089 --> 00:39:16,489
information has always been there it's

807
00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:19,099
just a matter of presenting it not being

808
00:39:25,779 --> 00:39:21,499
so worried about you know precious

809
00:39:29,529 --> 00:39:25,789
reputations and getting it out there hey

810
00:39:30,970 --> 00:39:29,539
you know what I want to ask you have UFO

811
00:39:33,609 --> 00:39:30,980
witnesses you know we've had a lot of

812
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:33,619
cases over here where UFO witnesses have

813
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,380
been arrest by the so called the men in

814
00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:39,200
black have you had any cases like that

815
00:39:51,279 --> 00:39:44,180
over there yes I was involved in

816
00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:51,289
actually well yeah look at two stories

817
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:55,670
but the first one is from gosh must have

818
00:40:02,739 --> 00:39:58,730
been about 20 years ago a gentleman who

819
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:02,749
was claimed he was retired Green Beret

820
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:04,690
soldier

821
00:40:13,630 --> 00:40:08,110
he was living a few suburbs from me on

822
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:13,640
property and he called to report seeing

823
00:40:20,350 --> 00:40:18,560
a UFO and I said oh it's interesting and

824
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:20,360
he never told me his name never told me

825
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:21,770
where he lived only found that out later

826
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:24,500
and I took took down the notes and

827
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:29,570
recorded it anyway he says and the UFO

828
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:31,910
was it was like a light that he had been

829
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:34,690
looking at that had come into this

830
00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:36,890
property or acreage that he was living

831
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:39,560
on and gone down into the gully behind

832
00:40:45,850 --> 00:40:43,270
the house and disappeared and only

833
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:45,860
moments after he got off the phone to me

834
00:40:51,610 --> 00:40:48,590
there was a knock at the door and he

835
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:51,620
said these two goons I have no idea who

836
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,780
they were but they pushed their way into

837
00:40:58,780 --> 00:40:56,240
the door and he said they were just

838
00:41:03,370 --> 00:40:58,790
ridiculous they were wearing hats dark

839
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:03,380
glasses they had pale skin and they you

840
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:05,870
know harassed him and he just pushed him

841
00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:08,780
out and he rang me late not that the

842
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:10,100
next day I think it was of the day after

843
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,590
and he said well thanks very much for

844
00:41:15,730 --> 00:41:14,240
that nice of what do you mean yes and he

845
00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:15,740
told me what happened I said well I

846
00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:17,600
don't know you didn't you didn't give me

847
00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:19,100
your name you didn't tell me where you'd

848
00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:22,520
lived so and you didn't give me your

849
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:26,300
phone number so perhaps someone was

850
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:28,790
tracking the object that you had seen

851
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:32,240
and these people and were aware that you

852
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,300
had called our organization and came to

853
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:37,040
intimidate you so you didn't discuss it

854
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:39,890
because perhaps it was a very important

855
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:41,390
thing that useful you know it could have

856
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:42,590
been some sort of secret military

857
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:45,310
testing or because we have an airbase

858
00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:49,700
not too far from from where we are could

859
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:52,460
have been something like that so yeah

860
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:54,770
that was a very interesting story but

861
00:42:00,670 --> 00:41:57,110
there are all wet dressed in black but

862
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:00,680
another one that was very interesting it

863
00:42:05,050 --> 00:42:02,630
occurred in the 70s but a gentleman

864
00:42:08,350 --> 00:42:05,060
reported it to me in the late 90s I

865
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:08,360
think it was or early 2000s and he was

866
00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:11,000
living in an outback town in Queensland

867
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:18,200
I think it was Connor Muller and he

868
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:20,329
don't quote me on that but he said when

869
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:22,730
he was a teenager he was living in his

870
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,550
in there and it's a small town and not a

871
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:28,160
lot around around the town and he was

872
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:30,290
outside his grandmother's place where he

873
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:30,800
was living

874
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,320
and near his with his mates some of them

875
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:35,920
had cars some of them on motorbikes and

876
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,050
they saw this green object traveled

877
00:42:45,730 --> 00:42:41,839
horizontally across the sky and slowly

878
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:45,740
and then it dropped to the ground and as

879
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:48,410
it dropped to the ground it lit up the

880
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:50,450
place like daylight and that's a very

881
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:52,430
common thing that we we often hear what

882
00:42:56,589 --> 00:42:55,070
reports and what happened was they all

883
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:56,599
got into cars and their bikes and they

884
00:42:59,650 --> 00:42:57,950
went out to where they thought it had

885
00:43:01,900 --> 00:42:59,660
come down which was a near a place

886
00:43:04,089 --> 00:43:01,910
called ten-mile but by the time they got

887
00:43:06,609 --> 00:43:04,099
there the police were already there and

888
00:43:08,349 --> 00:43:06,619
they're telling the boys go away go away

889
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:08,359
go back home whatever this is none of

890
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:12,260
your business go home so they did but

891
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:13,820
they did see that there were circles on

892
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:16,790
the ground while they were there anyway

893
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:18,200
they went back later after the police

894
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:21,310
had gone and the place had been graded

895
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:26,900
the next day these men in black along

896
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:29,480
with the local policemen went to each of

897
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:33,500
the boys homes and intimidated them told

898
00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:35,450
them they were not to talk about what

899
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:39,230
they had seen and keep their mouths shut

900
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:40,970
and we're watching basically something

901
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:44,930
like that soon after that that the local

902
00:43:51,809 --> 00:43:46,670
policemen who seemed very embarrassed

903
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:51,819
about the situation he committed suicide

904
00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:55,670
and he had he had been a very friendly

905
00:44:02,170 --> 00:43:59,390
chap he was friends with the young boy

906
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:02,180
who the young man who reported their

907
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:08,240
thing to me and he committed suicide his

908
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:10,130
personality changed completely before

909
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:13,609
that his wife and young child left the

910
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:16,250
town the road that used to go the

911
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:18,380
highway used to go through that little

912
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,990
town well it was then diverted so the

913
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:23,599
highway did not go around the town I did

914
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,780
go around the town sorry and the

915
00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:28,640
gentleman who reported it to me he had

916
00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:31,069
problems with his eyes the next day

917
00:44:35,439 --> 00:44:32,660
four months after that he had problems

918
00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:35,449
with migraines it could and so it could

919
00:44:39,219 --> 00:44:37,400
have been are you if I it could have

920
00:44:43,299 --> 00:44:39,229
been some sort of military testing that

921
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:43,309
had gone wrong who knows well you know

922
00:44:49,569 --> 00:44:47,839
we published a book I've done quite a

923
00:44:52,749 --> 00:44:49,579
bit of reporting on the men in black we

924
00:44:55,089 --> 00:44:52,759
did a book called the men in black UFO

925
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:55,099
terrorists among us and one of the cases

926
00:45:01,329 --> 00:44:57,890
that we published in there was that of I

927
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:01,339
believe his name was John Stewart you

928
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:02,690
know are you familiar with that case

929
00:45:08,469 --> 00:45:06,160
going back to the early 1950s where this

930
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:08,479
individual he was the head of a UFO

931
00:45:15,549 --> 00:45:11,390
group and one of the members of the the

932
00:45:16,959 --> 00:45:15,559
organization worm uh was molested and

933
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:16,969
then they finally disbanded the group

934
00:45:21,549 --> 00:45:19,190
because they were having these men and

935
00:45:23,769 --> 00:45:21,559
black were materializing and Gerald

936
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:23,779
Baker I think was another head of the

937
00:45:29,049 --> 00:45:26,209
group and he was actually pushed down an

938
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:29,059
escalator in a department store this

939
00:45:34,509 --> 00:45:32,569
goes back to the early you know 1950s

940
00:45:38,259 --> 00:45:34,519
there in in Australia so there's a

941
00:45:41,259 --> 00:45:38,269
history of the the MIBs not only here in

942
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:41,269
the states but certainly in England than

943
00:45:48,849 --> 00:45:44,529
most other places where there are UFO

944
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:48,859
incidents if we have a we have a an

945
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:50,930
interview with him I didn't do it I mean

946
00:45:55,209 --> 00:45:52,609
it was when it was done many many years

947
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,219
ago by great Barker where he talks about

948
00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:57,440
you know about his experience and the

949
00:46:01,809 --> 00:45:59,690
things that happen we'll have to send

950
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:01,819
you a copy I see Tim where we're at

951
00:46:08,829 --> 00:46:04,880
close and on the end of the program here

952
00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:08,839
and why did you tell the listeners where

953
00:46:13,329 --> 00:46:10,940
they can get in touch with you and find

954
00:46:14,829 --> 00:46:13,339
out about your journal and if we have

955
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:14,839
some listeners over there in Australia

956
00:46:20,709 --> 00:46:17,599
that might be interested in even joining

957
00:46:22,269 --> 00:46:20,719
up sure well they can visit our website

958
00:46:23,979 --> 00:46:22,279
which is you with our research

959
00:46:24,549 --> 00:46:23,989
Queensland just search for that on the

960
00:46:26,979 --> 00:46:24,559
Internet

961
00:46:30,759 --> 00:46:26,989
we also have a Facebook page that same

962
00:46:32,289 --> 00:46:30,769
name UFO research Queensland and if you

963
00:46:34,839 --> 00:46:32,299
have a strange encounter which is

964
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:34,849
perhaps not a UFO experience I'd love to

965
00:46:38,589 --> 00:46:36,650
hear from it and you can find us on

966
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:38,599
strange encounters down under Facebook

967
00:46:42,339 --> 00:46:39,910
page as well

968
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:42,349
wonderful wonderful well I must say I

969
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:44,810
haven't enjoyed this Congress

970
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:49,400
immensely and in fact I think if it's up

971
00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:51,080
you of course but we'd like to have you

972
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:53,660
back on soon we can do maybe every

973
00:46:57,850 --> 00:46:55,190
couple of months like a half an hour

974
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:57,860
just updating our listeners on what's

975
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:01,280
going on you know down under as they say

976
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,310
it's a nice lady and it's a fascinating

977
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:07,280
subject and and you're fascinating and a

978
00:47:13,390 --> 00:47:09,530
great guest and want to thank you for

979
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:13,400
being with us this evening and my

980
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:14,240
question

981
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:18,290
tie me kangaroo down or maybe the guy

982
00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:21,890
gorilla is down I don't know anyway a

983
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:25,160
great great happy job and Tim were

984
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:26,740
working on a couple of new books

985
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:29,420
incredible encounters as the the one

986
00:47:34,510 --> 00:47:32,600
we're working on now and still gathering

987
00:47:38,260 --> 00:47:34,520
material from researchers all over the

988
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:38,270
world try right so good night Tim good

989
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:40,070
night Cheryl thanks everyone for

990
00:47:43,810 --> 00:47:40,610
listening

991
00:47:45,730 --> 00:47:43,820
Thank You Helen Thank You Carol and

992
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:45,740
everybody have a great time and check

993
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:47,090
out our YouTube channel

994
00:47:58,100 --> 00:47:54,650
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995
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:58,110
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996
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:01,380
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997
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,690
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998
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,240
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999
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:09,540
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1000
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:11,180
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